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he came out this morning and issued a nasty ultimatum on tax cuts. how's that for getting along? my commentary on that. plus, senator tom harkin will be here in the pccc will last off in just a moment. and the republicans are restoring racism in the house. michele bachmann is accusing black farmers are being frauds. while steve king is talking about how president obama is urban. congressman james clyburn, he strikes back in tonight's "battleground" story. and a sex offender pardoned by minnesota governor tim pawlenty is accused of molesting again. this could crush his presidential dreams before they get started. we'll get rapid-fire response. and is the dream act dead? and the deficit commission, i think it's a fraud. that's all coming up. but this is the story that has me fired up tonight. washington, our wonderful city of washington, couldn't be more out of touch with the american people. and president obama is getting played by republicans like a
fiddle. now, this is what the president said right after his cozy meeting with senate republicans on tuesday. >> in a private meeting that i had without staff, you know without betraying any confidences, i was pleased to see several of my friends in the room say, let's try not to do duplicate that, let's try not to work the washington spin cycle. i think that there was a sincere effort on the part of everybody involved to actually commit to work together. >> they said, let's not do that. in other words, mr. president, you need to be quiet while we go after it? well, less than 18 hours after president obama's capitulation session with the republican, here comes mitch mcconnell doing everything he possibly can to make the president look like a fool. >> it's time to focus on priorities. now, a while ago i delivered a senator to senator reid signed by all 42 senate republicans.
it says that every republican will vote against proceeding to any legislative matter until we've funded the government and protected every taxpayer from a tax hike. basically, what it means is first thing's first. >> now, the president and mitch mcconnell sound like polar opposites in my opinion. this is the washington spin cycle that the president was talking about? either mcconnell talked tough to the president to his face, or he played nice. then left the white house and stabbed him in the back. i mean it's like they're living in two different worlds here, to make matters worse check out how weak the president looked today in his response to mcconnell's slap in the face. >> i am confident that nobody wants to see taxes on middle-class families go up starting january 1st and so you know there will be some lingering politics that have work to themselves little out in all caucuses, democrat and republican.
but at the end of the day, i think that people of goodwill come come together and recognize that given where the economy's at right now, given the struggles that a lot of families are still going through right now that we'll be able to solve that problem. >> we get all of that, mr. president. we just want to know in f that ultimatum was put down in front of you yesterday in that meeting. give us a break. i mean if the president can't see the republicans for who they are and clearly he does not get it. and you know what it's not at point that he needs an adviser he needs a counselor on how to deal with these people. should have publicly jumped all over mcconnell when betrayed his trust, and instead what we get out of this is just more weakness, in my opinion, at this point i think that the president is asking his base to make some -- a real leap of faith and trust that he's going to hold the line on the bush tax cuts. i mean, you're either are or you aren't. where's the line in the sand? well it doesn't exist. so outgoing governor from ohio, ted strickland, i think that he hit it out of the park.
he was not buying any of this, he told "the huffington post" president obama is being slapped in the face by his republican critics. to convince the american people that it's over with. he says, if we can't win that argument, we might as well just fold up shop. well, strickland, in my opinion, he hit the nail on the head. liberals are ready to draw a line in the sand when it comes to the bush tax cuts. and they want this president to put up the fight, not cave in. the pccc put this commercial out today. >> also allow the temporary bush tax cuts for the wealthiest americans to expire. >> if the only option i have to vote for some those tax reductions, i'll vote for them. it's the only option that i have is to vote for those $250,000
and below of course i'm going do that. >> well, the liberal base, if you are checking the scorecard, never at the table with single payor, the lost on public option, they didn't get what they wanted on wall street reform for a lot of them that didn't go far enough, and if the president caves in on the tax cuts' issue for the rich, the top 2%, for a lot of liberals, it's going to be game over. i mean that is what i'm hearing on talk radio in america on my radio show, and believe me they are passionate about it. a lot of liberals wonder if this president even wants a second term. mitch mcconnell and the republicans are running circils around this president and the democrats right now, in my opinion. and president obama cannot turn his back on the people who elected him this time. this is time, really time for mr. obama to step to the plate and say, you know what, i'm going to get in this washington spin cycle because this is the only way that you can deal with these folks. we will allow the tax cuts to expire on the top 2%, do that,
mr. president, and you'll gets more support than you've ever had before. but if you don't there's going to be a lot of people leaving you, buddy. no doubt about it. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's text survey question is, do you think president obama should stop trusting the republicans? text "a" for yes. text "b" for no to 622639. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. joining me now is senator tom harkin chairman of the senate health education and pensions committee. senator, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. >> hi, ed. thanks, ed. thank you. >> mitch mcconnell, says, first thing's first. is he dictating what's going to happen here, in your opinion? >> ed, i just got one response on that. have the republicans lost all sense of fairness? have they lost all sense of justice? have they lost all sense of what's right or wrong? i mean, there ought to be moral outrage at the policies that permit million-dollar bonuses to these money manipulators on wall
street, and yet they're telling the unemployed get into the soup line for christmas. we ought to be outraged at this. at what the republicans are doing to the unemployed in this country. and we ought to let the american people know just what mitch mcconnell and the republican leaders are doing here in the senate. >> after a meeting at the white house, he comes out, short period of time later, and basically issues an ultimatum. says he's got a letter signed by 42 of his colleagues on the right. we're not doing unless we get what we want. what should the president do with this kind of talk going on? >> i hold up this piece of paper, ed. right here it is. this is a moral outrage. "luxury spending is back in fashion." but in small print it says "the jobless still aren't buying the essentials." "luxury spending back in fashion," we had unemployed people here in washington and i turned to them, how many of you are doing your christmas shopping at tiffany's? maybe a little jewel.
maybe a little diamond-encrusted bottle or something like that or a $3,000 rolex watch? how many of you are going to nimus marcus or saks fifth avenue? they were all laughing. they don't have enough money to buy christmas present for their kids. this is what we ought to be telling the american people, that's going on. and the republicans want to give more tax breaks so they can have more luxury spending and our jobless have to go to soup kitchen for christmas dinner. >> so how do yyou deal with neae republicans who are doing everything that they can to make sure that this lame-duck session, your last four weeks in the majority, will be a disaster for trying to get something done? i mean, the ultimatum is there. what do you want the president to do? >> well, i want the president to do is say, look, we're going to stay here till christmas eve. we'll stay here on christmas day if we have to to make sure that the people are hurting the most in this country, people who are out of work, through no fault of their own, yefd, through no fault of their own, and they're losing there unemployment
benefits that the crucial time. year. we'll stay here until we get the job done and we're not going to cave in make sure that the top 2% get their tax break foskeep going to tiffany's and saks fifth avenue. >> senator harkin, draw on your experience. you've been around for a long time. you've worked with republicans in the past. do you think that bob dole would do this? >> i do not. quite frankly, i was here when bob dole was the leader, even trent lott, bill frist, i've been under a lot of republican leaders in the past. they would never do anything like this, bob dole is a man of his word. >> so the republican party, in a sense, an i don't want to put words in your mouth, but have they lost their moral fiber? >> that's what i said in the beginning. where's their sense? they have no sense of what's right or wrong anymore. all they want to do is give tax breaks to the rich and everything else could just go to the dickens. i mean they're holding up the s.t.a.r.t. treaty, holding up the s.t.a.r.t. treaty just so they can get tax breaks for the wealthiest americans. that's all they think about. it's -- they have a very simple message, we want the tax breaks for the richest people in this
country. >> senator harkin, i appreciate you speaking out on "the ed show" tonight. great friend. >> thanks, ed. >> always a pleasure. good to have with you us. thanks so much. >> thanks, ed. >> thanks for being in the fight. bring in adam green, co-founder of the progressive change campaign committee. do you think, adam, that the president wants this fight? >> well, no, absolutely not. look, i say this someone who woke up every single day in 2008 and asked myself the question, what can i do today to elect president obama president? and what i say is he's being really disappointing to millions of people like me and others who vote for him, volunteered for him, donated to him. >> so what will it take to get this president tough? how should he have handled that statement from mitch mcconnell today? you heard the response. >> yeah, i think you put it right before. i mean, when one side is issuing ultimatums and the other side is talking about compromise, there's something very skewed in a negotiation situation. tomorrow's a very important anniversary, it's the one-month anniversary of the 2010
elections. and so far, to the best of my knowledge, we've not heard a single word, a single word from president obama laying out under what circumstance he would be willing to fight these republicans. meanwhile, we have mitch mcconnell from day one after the election, saying that he's willing to fight this president. >> your organization is one of the lead liberal organizations in america now. what if president obama capitulates and extends the tax cuts for the top 2%? how much political damage is that going to be to him and the democrats in your opjoin. >> look it'll be enormous. my colleague said to "the hill" newspaper that he doesn't have to worry about the professional left. he has to worry about the millions of people who vote for him who are sorely disappointed with him. over the last couple of hours over 2,000 people have clipped in over $35,000 to help us air that ad that you showed before and it's up to us right now to make it very clear to president obama that we -- that his base will push him to fight. >> and, this is the reaction
from senate majority leader harry reid to the letter that's signed by 42 republicans. here it is. >> with in letter, they have simply put in writing, the political strategy that the republicans have pursued in this entire congress. namely, obstruct, delay, obstruct, delay, action on critical matters, and then blame the democrats for not addressing the needs of the american people. >> why can't the president say that? >> yes, exactly. and what is harry reid saying will be the consequence for this obstruction. who is going to go to kentucky to rally mitch mcconnell's voters against him? i'd like to than. who is going to go to olympia snowe, who represent be the state of maine that obama won by 18 votes. expressing remorse and disappointment is not enough from democratic leaders. we need real action. >> would you like to know if president obama is definitely going to run again? >> i assume he's going to run again. what i liked to know if he has
the same commitment to fire him up as last time. if he's not going to get the job done now hundreds of thousands of people, 650,000, to be exact, who are signing up at boldprogressives.org and we'll take leadership in our own hands. >> adam green, good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. coming up, that crazy michele bachmann and steve kanger showing their true colors on the floor. king's talking about how urban the president is. the congressional black caucus will set them straight in the "battleground" story tonight. governor tim pawlenty of minnesota's run for the white house, well, it might be over before he gets started. ia shocking report shows he paroled a serial child molester. rapid-fire response on that coming up. plus, charles barkley is trash-talking the president's game. the huckster, i thought that he was a reverend, he's talking execution. and i'll flush mike pence into the "zone." [ male announcer ] opportunity can start anywhere,
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time listening to outrageous recommendations from the right wingers on the deficit commission because that's exactly what they are. you will -- you won't believe what these people are suggesting. how but work a little harder and a little longer and give up a little bit more? how about a 15 cent increase on taxes, do you think that might hit you at the gas pump? that's what they want to do. it's a flat out attack on the middle class. president of the united steelworkers union is fuming over this one, along with me. he'll blast off next.
shown their cards for what they're all about. this is nothing but a right-wing hack job on the american middle class. any democrat who would sign onto the recommendations that these folks have come up with as a traitor to american workers and is selling out like a country club elitist. take a look at some of the proposals, they want to increase the retirement age to 69, lowering cost-of-living increases, scale back popular tax credits and deductions and limit annual cost increases for medicare, medicaid, and oh, let's not forget social security. and i don't see any deficit reduction in this bogus plan. this is flat out an assault on the middle class and i should mention they want to dopt tax rates all the way down to 29% from 35% to 25%. did i not say on this program two weeks ago, they're not going to stop at the bush tax cuts. they want more. they want more. they want to go from 35% down to 29%. their theory is, hell, if nobody's pay anything tax we'll just be able to create millions
of jobs in america. baloney. they want to defund every program they possibly can and gut government and concentrate the wealth even more. joining me now is leo girard. president of the united steelworkers union. mr. girard, good to have you with us tonight. based on what you saw today released by what i call "simpson" crowd, what's your response? >> i think, ed, this is a -- as senator harkin said this is a moral outrage. it's a financial outrage. this is the equivalent the right wingers, both right-wing republicans and hopefully no right-wing democrats but this is the extent of the right wing holding a gun to america's head and said, give us what's left of your benefits, give us what's left of your income, give us what's left of your future, social stability or else we're going to bankrupt this country. what we need to look at it, ed, is what caused this deficit? you look at what happened during the bush years, largest tax cut to the ultra rich that added trillions of dollars to the
deficit, two wars that were fought off of the books that add trillions of dollars to the deficit, 30 million people who are either unemployed or underemployed or who have quit looking for work who aren't paying taxes, 40,000 factories that were closed during the bush years, 8 million industrial workers who've lost their jobs during the bush years. this is a moral outrage, and i can't imagine any democrat that's elected for any office that would stand for this. i am so angry -- i am so angry that i've been pacing up and down figuring what in the hell can i do to help shine some light into this financial distress? i mean i'm just so angry, ed, because -- >> well, you should be. and i am absolutely bewildered how senator kent conrad, the chairman of the senate budget committee, a democrat, who's been a hawk on the budget for years, is going to sign onto these recommendations. now, the other one that i want to bring to you is that they want to abolish taxes for multinational corporations that are doing work in the united
states. >> ed -- >> in other words, they can come in and use our system and they can make money off of the backs of americans but they don't to have to pay any tax. this is the most right-wing thing i think i've ever seen. >> it's -- it's -- it's absolute financial insanity is what it is. let me ask you anything more common sense saying we're no longer going to give a tax break to an employer who moves offshore but we'll give a tax break to someone who brings a job back? they're opposed to that. why would we want to lower the marginal tax straight we've got hedge fund managers that are paying 15% on their unearned income while we've got their secretaries who are paying 25% and 30%. it's about time that those who made all of the welt during the last ten, 20 years, it's about time they stepped up to the plate and did something good for america besides lining their own pockets. this is about greed and it's about power and we need to be outraged. i'm just so angry i can't believe how angry i am. >> it is about greed. this is former senator simpson heading up this commission.
here he is explaining it today. >> i've seen on so many of these commissions in the past who come up with decisions and directives and solutions that are absolutely toothless exercises. that are pure mush for a watery gruel. not for us. not this time. that denial has gone the way of the do-do bird and these are not normal times for a normal nonsolutions. that's what they do here, nonsolutions. >> so, they are viewing it as attack medicare, medicaid, social security, reduce the tax rates for the wealthiest americans, and all of this is going to be fixed. this is a pipe dream and i hope the democrats don't get hood-winked on this -- >> ed, where was senator simpson while bush was running up the hugest deficit since the birth of mankind? why don't we understand that if
we the 30 million people who are underemployed or unemployed back at work, that would take some big part of the deficit. the rich who are making it hand over fist at expense of all us the most welt ever in the history the country just pay into their fair share, i don't remember any wealthy people being indicted or -- when bill clinton was president. they were still doing pretty darn well by our standards. it's about thyme we had some honesty in the process. >> and he was quoted as saying, mr. simpson, as some of his friends were saying, you son of a bitch how could do you this? leo gerard, thank you, i appreciate your time. coming up, senator mike pence, congressman mike pence, is looking to joe the plummer on advice on the economy. this guy pence's clogged up with nothing but psycho talk. well, you know what, he's going to be praying to the porcelain god when i'm done with him in the "zone." centrum silver ultra women's,
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and in "psycho talk" tonight, congressman mike pence, well, he sounded like here's trying to pump himself up for presidential run, and listen to who he thinks who has the answers on tax cuts. >> you're framing this in the context of -- of saving taxes or for job creators, others are obviously going to frame this in the context of something very different which is that you're protecting the wealthy. >> yeah. >> how -- how are you going to square that circle when we
effectively need to raise some form of revenue somehow? >> well you know, i think eye don't think we have to square that circle. i think the american people already squared it. i mean, joe the plummer proved himself to be the -- you know the best political prognosticator and maybe the best economist in the last election cycle. >> you've got to be kidding me? jot plumber. first of all the guy wasn't a real plumber and now he's being the best economic-minded in 2008? joe didn't know about economics to understand that he wasn't even a top 2 percenter. he kept saying obama was going to raise his taxes and even though he didn't make enough money to fall into the top category and of course he didn't pay his taxes anyway. during 2008 campaign, we found out that he owed almost 1,200 bucks in back taxes. mike pence's off base on joe's political predictions, too. the guy's stumped for the losing team in 2008, did he not? and of course, it's not a stretch to believe that the republicans are getting their economic ideas from brain
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well, the republicans are restoring racism in the people's house. during a debate over the black farmers bill psycho-talker steve king and michele bachmann freaked out on the black farmers. they said most of the claims were bogus. then they showed their true colors. >> the fraudulent claims might be, well, johnny, yeah, he was raised on a farm but he wouldn't help his dad. he went off to the city and became a drug addict and when his daddy needed the help, johnny wouldn't come and help his daddy. but now his daddy's died and johnny wants the $50,000 that comes from the usda under this claim. >> this is just flat out wrong. can we say it? can we be gutsy enough on the floor of this house of representatives to say, this is pure and complete fraud? >> but of course are king took it even further. claiming barack obama had a racial motive because he supported black farmers as a
senator. >> we have a very, very urban senator barack obama who has decided he's going to run for president, and what does he do, he introduces legislation to create a whole new pigford claim. we've got stand up up at some point and say, we're not going to pay slavery reparations in the united states congress. >> the good news the house passed the bill. that will give more than a billion dollars to help african-american farmers who were cheated out of federal aid because of discrimination. joining me now is south carolina congressman jim clyburn. the house majority whip. congressman, you know i didn't see them do this on the floor but when i saw the tape i was thinking, gosh, right-wing talk radio has now reached the floor of the united states of the house of representatives. and what's your response to those comments? >> well, ed, thank you so much for having me on the show. you know, when i hear those kinds of comments, i think back
on another period of our history. used to teach history in our public schools and i know a little bit about that period in our nation's history that we've worked so hard to get behind us and to lay out a future for our children and grandchildren that we all can aspire to. and to hear that kind of talk especially under the department of agriculture said that they did in fact discriminate against these people, they ask us to find a way to have some form of justice for these people and they have two members of congress stand on the floor of the house and with impunity make theses kinds of charges, if makes you wonder what has happened to our great country for people like that to be
represented in a segment of it. >> it is -- reparations was the words that was used. are you offended by that? >> i am offended by that. the fact of the matter is, mr. king doesn't know much about his history. the fact of the matter is when the whole issue of reparation's ever presented to this congress it's not anything that anybody has ever put forward. what you said was, these are people who made applications for federal loans, qualified for their applications, but -- for the launch -- but were denied. and they were denied simply because of their race. >> yeah. >> and the department has admitted that that's why they were denied. that's got nothing to do -- that's making people whole who should have not been injuried. >> congressman, to your knowledge, the example that steve king just used on the house floor, was that a hypothetical or was that truly
the case? >> well, it's some figment of his imagination. >> the kid left the farm, went out and got on drugs. it's stereotyped a young black american that way and gets away. if this is the way they act in the minority how in the hell are they going fob in the majority? >> well that's what makes me cringe because for the fact of the matter these kind of thought processes will get put into legislation and we can see where the clock could get turned back on so much of the progress that we've made this, this country. >> no doubt. >> and we have to be very careful of that, and so i would hope the vossers out the-- the voters out there, the public will begin to respond to some of this, react to it and let people know that you're not proud of this kind of talk to complace on the floor of the house. >> congressman -- >> because we ought to be going about forward together. >> congressman jim clyburn great to have you with us tonight. thank you for speaking up, sir.
i appreciate your time. >> thank you so much for having me. >> now let's turn to john boyd, he's a farmer and president of the national black farmers association. mr. boyd, good to have you with us tonight. >> hello, ed. thank you for having me. >> if it would had been a different president would you have gotten this decision? >> absolutely not. and first of all i would like to thank the president of the united states for helping to move this bill forward, the congressional black caucus, and speaker pelosi. ed, as you know, we've worked very, very hard to get this bill passed. and i don't understand mr. king and his comments have a strong racial undertone and a very offensive towards our black farmers. this case is not about fraud. this case is about discrimating -- discrimination by the department of agricultural. we've proven our case in federal court, we've had a settled agreement, we've done everything right here and mr. king i want to add, voted for the farm bill that i worked eight years on that reopened this segment that
said, black farmers will have their cases heard based on its mer night so is the strategy to talk tough on the floor like that with racial overtones to set the table that the senate will do anything with this. >> well, i tell you, i think it's a disgrace to the american people to use the house floor in that manner. we have proven our case and again these black farmers have been brutally mistreated by the department of agriculture as it relates to discrimination. >> and this is change you can believe in and it was much needed. >> yes. >> there was discrimination. it was proved. >> absolutely. >> mr. boyd, good to have with you us tonight. keep up the fight, thank you. >> ed, thank you for staying on top of this issue for us. >> you bet, thank you, sir. now let's get rapid-fire response from our panel on these stories. well, a pardon could sink minnesota governor tim pawlenty's presidential chances. two years ago pawlenty pardoned a sex offender who is now accused of molesting a young girl. gop presidential hopeful, reverend mike huckabee, says he wants any government official who leaked diplomatic cables to
be executed. and i'll get the panel's response on mitch mcconnell and the senate republicans threatening president obama with blocking all bills until the tax cut fight is resolved. jack rice joins us tonight, criminal defense attorney and former cia officer. and john feehery, republican strategist and president of the quinn gillespie communications. let's talk about mr. mcconnell first. jack, your response. were their two conflicting sound bites there earlier today, and where does that leave you? >> ah this is going to be brutal. i think under the circumstances, there's a lot that needs to be fought here. we've got real problems here, and i think what we keep seeing -- and you and i have seen this for years now -- this sort of standard sound bites without actually digging into facts to understand what we're facing and what the true challenges are. >> john? >> well, i, of course, agree with mitch mcconnell. i think that the tax cut fight needs to be resolved. this is the leverage he has and it needs to be resolved for a couple of reasons.
first this is the best way to create jobs, to create certainty in the marketplace so people know what's going to happen with their taxes. and second of all, it's about fairness. people, you know, are worried about their taxes going up big time on january 1st. get this thing resolved and -- >> but, john, a spirit of negotiation. they have a meeting with the president. the president comes out, they agree apparently without the aides around it that they're not going to do this washington talking circle. and the very next morning mitch mcconnell's out with an ultimatum. i mean, how do you -- is that in the spirit of moving forward in your opinion? >> i actually think it's in the spirit. because if you get in resolved and then you can move onto other things. they have to get it resolved. the economy's waiting for them to get it resolved. there's too much -- too much time is wasted already. they need to get it resolved. >> now wait a second, john. let's be honest about this. >> i am being honest. >> nothing to do with resolving anything. about pandering to the republican base to say, look, we're not going to allow the democrats to do anything here. they don't give a damn about how many people have lost their employment benefits.
they don't give a damn about what happens to the economy as long as it makes the democrats look bad so when they come into power in the house starting in it's. >> jack -- jack -- >> -- in january they can do something different. >> come on, jack. who did not deal with in isow in the last two years and have two majorities? the democrats. they should have done this well before the election but they didn't. they've been tardy. they need to get it done and if mitch mcconnell's saying enough's enough. let's get it done now. >> so mitch mcconnell says what we'll do is make sure that nothing happens? let's freeze everything up. let's make sure that we -- >> right until it all gets down. >> and come back later and oh yeah wait until january because so much more will get done. come on the republicans have made it clear from the very beginning they want absolutely nothing to happen. they've done everything for the last two years -- >> they don't want the taxes to go up. >> including with what the senate was doing. >> they don't want taxes to go up. >> yeah, that's worked -- oh, i see so what they dold is, stand aside and allow the taxes to stay where they are for the middle-class americans. you are suggesting that we split those two aside and let that to
happen? no they're not because they're going on it stand for their base. >> gentlemen, one more subject in here. wikileaks. this is what mike huckabee says. whoever in our government leaked that information is guilty of treason and i think that anything less than execution is too kind of penalty. they've put american lives at risk. any lives they endangered. they're personally responsible for and the blood is on their hands. jack rice, i remember a cia operative that was out on it. what do you make of this story? >> yeah you know i think about that whole concept. isn't it fascinating how politics plays out? all av sudden when we talk about classified information, apparently if it's a republican who leaks it, it's not a problem. but if it's somebody else, it is a problem, somehow it's obama's fault now but we had it coming out of the white house before and that wasn't the issue. look, the real problem -- and i'm coming at this as a former cia officer perspective and a former prosecutor -- the real problem that we had when it comes to wicksy leaks and the problems in general in washington is that we overclassify so many things. we classified not because it's a sources and methods issue.
frequently we classify things because it's covering somebody's butt someplace because of a failure. >> yeah. >> and that's what's happening in wikileaks in a big way. >> is huckabee grandstanding on this? the reverend huckabee? >> well, of course he is. >> thank you, john. >> i don't necessarily agree. i think that there's overclassification problem here. and i think that it has to be you know resolved to some extent and i do think that the people have a right to know as much as they need to know. i do think, though, there's some national security implications here that not only concerns republicans, but also concerns hillary clinton. >> jack rice, john feehery, great to have you with us here tonight. >> thank you. coming up, republicans are crushing the hopes of millions of americans have who are desperate, hard-working folks who are dreaming to become american citizens. congressman luis gutierrez has been on the front lines pleading for help. he'll bring the passion next in the "playbook." and president obama's ready to get back out on the court. the guy could play hurt but you won't believe who's talking smack about his game. a former nba great. we'll show you the tape. lightning fast. lightning strong.
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and in my "playbook" tonight, senate republicans are crushing the american dream for millions of young people across this country. their floej block all legislation until they get a deal on tax cuts could put an end to the dream act. which would provide a path to u.s. citizenship for undocumented children. but majority leader harry reid is still trying to pursue and push it through the senate. the latino community came out in full force a month ago to help him win re-election in a tough fight, and now it's time for reid to do the payback for that support. joining me now for more on this is illinois congressman luis gutierrez. i think that you have to admit, congressman, that mr. reid is doing everything that he possibly can to make this happen. but, again, it's the
republicans, is it not? >> yeah, you know i'm sadly and unfortunately, mitch mcconnell is saying he will not allow a vote on anything that isn't a tax matter. and that's his response to the efforts in the senate to get a vote on the dream act. but let me tell you, things are going very, very well in the house of representatives, the democratic caucus, our leadership is forcefully behind this effort. and unr fortunately it looks because of the congressional budget office and the numbers waiting for them we won't have a but hopefully by friday. >> will it pass, congressman? will it pass? >> i think that the house of representatives is ready and willing to go first. that is new, four years we've never been able to go first on any immigration. i think we should go first gerkt it passed in the house of representatives, and then move forward in the senate. that's my opinion. >> will there be any republicans on the house on board with this?
>> you know, i think -- you know lincoln -- a couple of other republicans that have sponsored i think we can count on them but there will be few. there will be few. it'll be mostly on the backs of the democratic party, but still you know i'm very positive and optimistic. >> congressman gutierrez, is this going to satisfy the latino community. >> no. >> does this go far enough? >> can i tell you something. they're going to say the blast half full. not half empty. not going to say, oh thank you, but what about, no and they're going to say and they're going see through this process who the true obstructionist. we're going to do everything that we can. you're right senator durbin, my senator from my state i will give him a shout-out. he's the main sponsor of this bill. the president today, let me see, secretary of labor, solis, last week secretary duncan at education was having conference calls across the country, the administration finally, hey,
what do you think, ed, we've got a game plan in which everybody's on the same team. and has the same objective. we're acting at democrats who are searching for some fairness and justice. so the team is working in a coordinated fashion. that's a good thing and that should give us good results. >> congressman, good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> i hope that the vote goeps through the house this week. >> so do i. charles barkley, former nba great, showed up on one of the late-night shows last night. they talked about president obama catching an elbow on the court and getting 12 stitches, and then the former nba star, well he kind of ripped his buddy on his game. >> you've watched him play and you've analyzed his play, yes. >> he is a one-handed basketball player as we say. there's certain guys who could go either way to say ambidexterous. but he's a one-handed basketball player and so you're pretty confident that you would do well in a game on a one on one against the president of the united states. >> oh, yeah. come on. i mean i'm an old fat guy but i'll kick his ass.
>> okay. i would think so. coming up, president obama's in the fight of his political life. with his base over these tax cuts for the top 2%. former secretary of labor, robert reich says it's time for the president to start swinging. . we know diamonds. together we'll make her holiday. that's why only zales is the diamond store. together we'll make her holiday. everybody has somebody to go heart healthy for. who's your somebody? eating campbell's healthy request can help. 25 delicious soups with low cholesterol, zero grams trans fat, and a healthy level of sodium. because heart healthy is good for your life... and the people in it. healthy request from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.
back on the republicans. mitch mcconnell is making them look like a fool vowing to block everything. john boehner's not compromising. for more let's bring in robert reich, former secretary of labor under the clinton administration, and of course professor at uc-berkeley and also the author of the book "after-sho "after-shock: the next economy in america's future." i tell you what that's got to be a good book. a lot of material to write about there. >> certainly. i hope that you read it. >> i will do it. robert, what's the president's best play right now in the midst of what's unfolded today with the hardline stand of mitch mcconnell? >> well i think he's got to take it's president's got to take a very harline in response and i think that mitch mb connell and in fact opens up the door for the president to take a very hard line and showing who's side he's on. the president should simply say look i'm not going to extend the bush tax cuts for very wealthiest americans. they don't deserve it. they're already take home a quarter of all national income. they're going to break the bank. it's going to cost huge amounts
in terms of budget deficits. also, they're not going to stimulate the economy. >> so how are the democrats lose this argument? mr. reich, how can the democrat lose this argument? >> well it's a good question. i mean, look what they ought to do -- and this is what harry reid and also nancy pelosi ought to do, put a very simple bill right there, in the house, in the senate, saying, look, we want a vote up or down on whether the bottom 98%, 99% of americans are going to get afon extension of the bush tax cut. that is it. if you vote against this, republicans, you are saying to the effect -- you are telling america, you don't believe most americans should get an extension of the bush tax cuts because you are standing up for your constituency and that is the people at the very top. >> i want you to respond to had. republican leader john boehner in the house and just moments ago. responding to the vote that's coming up this week in the house on the middle-class tax cuts. here it is. >> the house leader's going to go down this path of -- of gerrymandering the process that members only have one option and
that's to vote to a tax relief for the american people. i think that it's wrong. it does undercut the conversations that we had just yesterday. >> he's saying that he thinks that undercuts the conversations they had with the president yesterday and they should even have the vote on the middle-class tax cuts. i mean i read that as it's all or nothing for the republicans. what do you think? >> well, it is all or nothing for the republicans. but that all or nothing means essentially, they want tax cuts for the very rich in this country. and that's ridiculous. at the same time they're saying that we've got to close the budget deficit. they can't possibly afford for people who've been jobless for a long time. well how can they have it both ways, ed. you can't stay. in favor of fiscal austerity and at the same time we've got to extend the bush tax cuts for the richest people in this country. >> and finally, robert, if the president doesn't draw a hard line and hold the line on the top 2%, what's the political downside? >> well, the political downside for him i think